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PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT - GLOBAL THREAT TO OIL SUPPLIES (NEWS HOUR WITH JIM LEHRER, PBS TV, 6 PM, FEBRUARY 24, 2006)
[August 26, 2006]

PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT - GLOBAL THREAT TO OIL SUPPLIES (NEWS HOUR WITH JIM LEHRER, PBS TV, 6 PM, FEBRUARY 24, 2006)


(Federal News Service (Middle East) Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge)

LEHRER: Oil supplier troubles. Ray Suarez has our story.

RAY SUAREZ: Today's foiled terror attack in Saudi Arabia was
aimed at a key oil processing facility. The huge Abqaiq oil complex,
which is about 30 miles from the Persian Gulf Coast, handles about two
thirds of the country's crude oil production. Although exports and
production were reportedly not affected, the attack on OPEC's largest
producer sent crude oil prices climbing to their highest levels in a
month.

But there are threats to supplies and production in Nigeria, the
world's fifth largest oil exporter. In the Niger Delta last weekend,
where for years dissidents have been demanding control over the
region's oil wealth, armed militants kidnapped nine foreign oil
workers and set pipelines and other oil facilities on fire.

And in a country of 120 million roughly divided between
Christians and Muslims, a wave of sectarian killings also erupted
early this week. Muslims attacked Christians in the North protesting
the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. And in the South,
Christians retaliated, killing Muslims. At least 100 people have been
killed in the worst communal clashes in Nigeria in two years.

The violence comes amid speculation that the country's elected
president, Olusegun Obasanjo, a Christian from the Southwest, is
seeking to amend the constitution in order to serve a third term. The
speculation has sparked anger among Obasanjo's political opponents in
the predominantly Muslim North.

And late today, militants holding hostages in Nigeria put one of
their captives on display. Macon Hawkins of Kosciusko, Texas, appeared
in good spirits and urged world leaders to get involved in
negotiations for the nine hostages' release.

For on the latest instability in oil producing nations, I'm
joined by: J. Robinson West, chairman of PFC Energy Incorporated, a
consulting firm that advises oil and gas companies and governments on
energy issues; and Walter Carrington, who served as U.S. ambassador to
Nigeria from 1993 to 1997 -- he is now professor of international
relations at Simmons College in Boston.

And Robinson West, should we look at the attack on the Saudi
Arabian facility as part of an ongoing threat to the security of world
supply, or as an example of the system working, a sign that Saudi
Arabian security on their oil infrastructure is effective?

J. ROBINSON WEST (PFC Energy): Well, Ray, I think short-term it
was very successful from a security standpoint. But long-term I think
one has to realize that we've entered an age of energy insecurity,
where we have unreliable supply at unreasonable cost all over the
world. And the situation in Saudi Arabia, in Iraq, Nigeria that we
will talk about later, Venezuela all over the world, this is a very
serious problem.

SUAREZ: Ambassador Carrington, in the past, even during the
worst of times, during coups and social upheavals, the oil from
Nigeria kept flowing. What is different about this time?

WALTER CARRINGTON (Former U.S. Ambassador to Nigeria): Well, I
think that this time you have a number of issues coming together at
the same time, which is causing great unrest in the Niger-Delta area
which is the area in the South that produces most of the oil.

You have, on the one hand, the long neglect that has been felt
by people in that area from the federal government in their view of
the fact that they are not getting from the oil revenues the kind of
development and other attention that they ought to be getting.

And at the same time, you have an uprising of feeling between
the houses in the North and the Ebos that has not been seen since the
civil war some 40 years ago. When you had the riots over the cartoon
in the North, many of the victims of that were Christian Ebos and when
their bodies began to come back to the Southeast for burial, that is
when you had the reprisals on the part of the Ebos there against the
houses who were living among them.

SUAREZ: Robinson West, can you give me some background on the
persisting problems between people who live in the oil-producing
regions and the companies that are extracting oil from there in
Nigeria.

WEST: Well, the oil companies in the past I think made some
serious mistakes and did neglect the area. But for the last ten,
twelve years or whatever, the companies have been working hard to try
to make the situation better. But the problem you have is you have
rising expectations. You have competition for money between various
groups. And also you have tremendous corruption. And the oil companies
can, frankly, only do so much. And the government of Nigeria isn't
very efficient. And, again, some of the states which have been given a
lot of the money recently, are deeply corrupt and aren't getting any
money to the people.

SUAREZ: Ambassador, are those confrontations likely to continue,
or is there a possibility that what the company offers will be seen as
enough by the indigenous people?

CARRINGTON: Well, I think it's than just what the companies
are likely to offer. I think it's a combination of both what the
companies are going to do and what the federal government is going to
do. Now one of the problems is that you've got national elections
coming up next year and also talk about reforming the constitution.

And one of the issues that is being considered is the issue of
whether or not there will be a higher percentage of the oil revenues
going to the states in the South -- the states that produce the oil.

If this formula which now exists is not changed and does not
provide help to those areas, then I think things are likely to
get worse rather than get better.

SUAREZ: Ambassador, is there a distinction that we should be
making about general instability, general civil unrest inside Nigeria,
and that that specifically takes place in the oil-producing regions?
Or is there an extent to which it doesn't really matter. An unstable
Nigeria is a threat to oil supply.

CARRINGTON: Well, I wouldn't go overboard in terms of talking
about Nigeria being unstable. There are two areas recently where you
have had problems. You have had problems in the North, mainly because
of first of all the adoption of the Sharia law, the criminal
penalties, which were extreme extremely harsh, and the question of the
riots over the cartoons that first appeared in Denmark.

In the South the problems have really been in the Niger Delta,
in about four or five states. Now Nigeria is a large country made up
of some 36 states. So I wouldn't talk about unrest throughout the
country. I think you've got problems that are really local problems in
some areas in the North and in some areas in the Niger Delta.

SUAREZ: Robinson West, when Nigeria cuts back slightly on what
it's exporting per day, why does it make a barrel of oil
expensive that's about to come out of the ground in Mexico or
Venezuela or in Southeast Asia?

WEST: Well, one of the things that's important to remember, Ray,
is that it's a world market. And if the price of oil goes up in
Rotterdam, it's going to go up in Houston and Singapore, and that
Nigeria is important to the world market. It produces about 2.4
million barrels a day, about 20 percent, about half million barrels
have been shut in. But this is important for several reasons. One,
they produce light sweet crude, very high quality crude is produced in
Nigeria.

Secondly, there is almost no excess capacity in the world.
Markets are very, very tight. And the third thing is, is that if the
market feels that Nigeria is unstable and there could be contagion in
the rest of West Africa, then West Africa is becoming very important
to the world oil markets as well.

SUAREZ: So light sweet crude is what, less polluting when it
burns?

WEST: Well, it's easier to refine and creates cleaner products.

SUAREZ: So if it comes off the world market, you can't just go
somewhere else and get that grade?

WEST: No, you can't -- and what happens is that refineries are
configured to take various kinds of crude; light sweet crude is the
easiest to process. And it has -- again, it creates better products
with less environmental problems.

But one of the things that's also happening is that again, since
markets are so tight, there is so little excess capacity in the world
market, there is about a million and a half barrels a day excess
capacity which I would remind you is primarily in Saudi Arabia where
the Abqaiq attempt took today. The markets are very tight, they're
very rigid. And if you take that oil out and there is a fear that
oil might come out, it causes the whole market to jump up.

SUAREZ: So Ambassador, tight supplies, a steady stream of buyers
for a highly desirable grade of oil, why isn't Nigeria a richer
country than it is?

CARRINGTON: Well, one of the problems, of course, is that
Nigeria has a huge population, that even if you didn't have the
problems that you have of corruption and of neglect of the areas where
the oil is produced, if you do the math, a 120 million to 140 million
people, it's not like Kuwait, it's not like some of these other small
countries. This is the largest country in terms of population. That's
one of the problems.

The other is that I think that this problem of corruption,
especially during the last military government, the government of Gen.
Abacha, resulted in billions of dollars being squandered, being put
away in foreign banks. Now the Obasanjo government is making attempts
to get at this problem of corruption, but it is a huge problem to
overcome very quickly.

SUAREZ: You talked about energy insecurity, and a coming period
of it. So where's the ceiling for oil? And where are we headed -- when
you look down the road, what do you see?

WEST: We see tight markets. We see growing instability. And we
see demand still continuing to grow in Asia, and North America. So I
think there's a very good chance you are going to see higher oil
prices which means higher gasoline prices, substantially higher.

SUAREZ: And Mr. Ambassador, when you look down the next six
months, a year, what do you see for Nigeria?

CARRINGTON: Well, what I am hoping is that there will be
attention paid to the demands of the people in the Niger Delta region,
otherwise I'm afraid that what we are going to see is problems that
we're seeing elsewhere, that we see in places like Chechnya and
Colombia and other places where militant groups are able to get hold
of arms and are able to radicalize the situation in an area where you
do not have the kind of military possibilities for the government to
be able to put this down. So that I think a lot attention has to
be paid by the government to the problems of the Niger Delta. This is
key to the future of Nigeria.

SUAREZ: Ambassador Carrington, Mr. West, thank you both.

WEST: Thank you.

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