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[December 02, 2008]

Activist questions Obama's citizenship

(Chicago Tribune Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) An anti-tax activist from upstate New York who is questioning whether President-elect Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen" eligible for the nation's top job said Tuesday that his nonprofit group spent "tens of thousands of dollars" to get his message across in ads in the Chicago Tribune this week.



Robert L. Schulz, 69, chairman of We The People Foundation, took out ads Monday and Wednesday to raise questions about whether Obama's Hawaii certificate of live birth is authentic.

The ads echo accusations circulated online by Obama opponents before the election. Cases challenging Obama's citizenship have been tossed out of local courts in several states, and Hawaiian officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, which is locked in a state vaults. Nevertheless, some conservative critics remain dubious.



Here are some of the allegations raised in Schulz's ad, and some facts related to them:

_The birth form released by Obama was "an unsigned, forged and thoroughly discredited" live birth form, Schulz says.

Last summer, Obama's campaign presented a digital copy of his certificate of live birth. After critics questioned its authenticity, staffers at FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, said it had seen, held and examined the actual birth certificate.

_"Hawaiian officials will not confirm" that Obama was born in their state, Schulz says

Initially, Hawaiian officials said that privacy laws prevented them from releasing a copy or confirming that Obama's copy was authentic. But in late October as questions persisted, Hawaii's health director and head of vital statistics reviewed Obama's birth certificate in the department's vault and vouched for its authenticity.

_Schulz says that legal affidavits state Obama was born in Kenya.

The affidavits that Schulz refers to are filings in the court cases challenging Obama's citizenship.

_Obama's paternal grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended Obama's birth in Kenya, Schulz says.

The group's Web site posted what it says is a transcript of a long-distance phone conversation in Swahili and English from late October with Sarah Hussein Obama. The translator said the interview was conducted in a crowded hut, over a speaker phone that dropped the call three times, with two Swahili translators during a celebration. A copy of the recording was not provided by Schulz.

_Schulz says that "U.S. law in effect in 1961 (the year of Obama's birth) denied citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age."

If a child is born in the United States _ as Hawaiian officials state unequivocally that Obama was _ that child is a U.S. citizen regardless of his or her parents' nationalities. If born to an American parent outside the U.S., the law at the time would require the U.S. citizen parent to be at least 19, which Obama's mother was not. The provisions of this law were subsequently loosened and made retroactive for government employees serving abroad and their families. It appears that this would not apply to Obama's mother. But Hawaiian officials say the matter is academic because Obama was born in the U.S.

_Schulz says that in 1965, Obama's mother relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and Obama had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.

U.S. law lists the specific acts and formal procedures necessary to relinquish U.S. nationality. The statute requires the acts be performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing one's nationality. In many instances, one must be 18 to renounce one's citizenship. Obama moved to Indonesia in 1968 and moved back to Hawaii while still in grade school. There is no indication that Obama renounced his U.S. citizenship.

Schultz supports his argument with a reproduced Indonesian school document that states Obama's citizenship at that time as "Indonesian." The same document also lists Obama's birthplace as "Honolulu, Hawaii."

Schulz, interviewed by the Tribune on Tuesday, said his concern about Obama's citizenship is not a partisan issue.

"We never get involved in politics," he said of We The People. "We avoid it like the plague."

(EDITORS: STORY CAN END HERE)

Tax debate is fair game, however. The Queensbury, N.Y., man has been active on tax issues for nearly 30 years. Last year, a senior judge in the Northern District of New York ordered Schulz to shut down a Web site that sold advice on avoiding taxes.

Asked about the case, Schulz said the government has tried to silence him.

He hopes the Tribune ads bring his group a measure of prominence.

Schulz said his group also considered a similar ad in USA Today, but said the cost was prohibitive. He said his group considered both the Chicago Sun-Times and the Tribune, but said his group settled on the Tribune because of the size of its pages and its larger circulation. He would not specify how much his group spent on two days of full-page ads except to say they cost tens of thousands of dollars and were paid for by donations from supporters.

A Tribune advertising spokesman said the newspaper has standards for what ads it will accept and that the ad met those standards.

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Discussions:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhI6VkUIuNw)
SUPREME COURT STEPS - SIT IN - MARCH - DEC 5 - OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE
 
12/2/2008 9:55:36 PM
SPREAD THIS FAR AND WIDE!!!
http://f2a.org/coast2coast/ObamaCitizenship.htm
 
By James
12/2/2008 9:56:31 PM
Here we go again. In order....
1). He posted a Certification, not a Certificate of Live Birth. In Hawaii, the Certification is less credible and requires additional verification for legal/state purposes; the Certificate doesn't. Also in Hawaii, a Certification is afforded to parents whose children were born outside the U.S.
2). Chiyome Fukino's statement (Director of Health, Hawaii) was packed with affirmatives about procedure and requirements, but left the origin of the document completely unanswered. Look it up and read it for yourself.

I can't keep correcting these morons. Just read this for an ACCURATE, objective look: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-156768 .
 
By Hank Rand
12/2/2008 10:09:01 PM
http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx
 
12/2/2008 10:12:00 PM
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/01
/confirmed-by-scotus-donofrio-v-wells-was-distribu
ted-for-conference-of-december-5-2008-by-the-full-
united-states-supreme-court/
 
12/2/2008 10:12:43 PM
“Be prepared people!

Rumor has it that the Supreme Court is going to stay the Electorial Vote set for December 15, 2008 and insist that Obama prove his citizenship and eligibility to be President of the United States of America on Friday, December 5, 2005, which he cannot do.

One Supreme Court Lawyer, name withheld to protect him, said this is about to happen, and the White House has known all along that Barack Hussein Obama was not eligible to be President, but there was nothing in their power that they could do about it.

In fact, a White House high up has said that Leo Donofrio’s case is spot on, and will succeed to end the hopes of Barack Hussein Obama from being sworn in as President.

There are rumors of a new election taking place in April, with the winner assuming power in June, with President Bush staying in office until this happens.

Also, there are rumors that the National Guard has been sent out to the big major cities already, or on the way, to prevent any riots from getting out of control, so protect and have a plan ready for your families, and be able to engage it this Friday in as short a time as possible.

The blackout with the Main Stream Media of this case, will not be able to hold this story back on Friday. It has been mentioned on Rush Limbaugh twice that I know of. Once by Rush himself, and then yesterday with his fill in host. When it finally hits the MSM on Friday, you can expect that angry riots may occur. People do not know that this has been going on for well over a month or so, before the actual election took place.”
 
12/2/2008 10:13:23 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie
w&pageId=82449
FedEx the Supremes about Obama's eligibility
WND makes it easy, cheaper to ask justices to resolve questions
 
12/2/2008 10:24:02 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie
w&pageId=82523
Print, TV ads demand citizenship proof from Obama
Concerned Americans look to media to compel president-elect to release documents
 
12/2/2008 10:25:08 PM
Two years out and the media is finally taking notice. This article was just released from the New American...

This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
 
By Willnevergiveup
12/3/2008 2:58:52 AM
Ever wonder what the rest of the world is saying about the whole Obama issue?

Below is a link to an article I read today. Is the whole world laughing at us because our media wouldn't report the facts?

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/02-12-
2008/106778-Amazing_Obama-0
 
By Willnevergiveup
12/3/2008 3:11:34 AM
Obama has put forth only a Certification of live birth, which is NOT A Birth Certificate!

After months and months of unrequited requests, the Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the Unted States, Article II, Section I) as a Natural born citizen to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America.



However, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a birth certificate. What they supplied was actually a Certificate of Live Birth. There is a major difference between a birth certificate and a Certificate of Live Birth.

Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't. This part is important; - it has nothing to do with tin foil hats.

Per the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country. (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-recor
ds/index.html).



The Certificate of Live Birth provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the Amended certificates of birth they site. Why is that important? Because of that second clause in the above citation. While you may show citizenship via such a document, you do not necessarily prove natural born citizenship. Natural born citizenship is what is required to be eligible to be considered for the Presidency, per the United States Constitution.

The form Obama posted wouldn't even be acceptable to make an application in Hawaii's Home Lands Program!

From: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants
 
By edeldoug
12/3/2008 12:58:15 PM
This is an interesting case, no doubt about it. And since the challengers have taken their case to the highest courts, I'm sure they will have no problem producing
hard evidence to back their charges.

I would like to see hard evidence, with links, for the following:

1. the exact names of the 3 law firms hired by obama to fight these charges
2. documentation that proves Obama had representation [lawyers] present when these cases went before a judge
3. Proof that Obama's mother travelled to Kenya while pregnant with Obama
4. Proof that Obama relinquished his American citizenship while living in Indonesia
5. Proof of Obama's dual citizenships

I'll keep checking back on this thread to view their response.
 
12/3/2008 1:06:22 PM
We decided to VET and whom did we GET?

The word vet is a short form of veterinarian,

a doctor who handles, cares for, and fixes up

animals. In our recent elections, USA candidates

for President and Vice President were viewed as animals, who needed to be

physically handled, cared for, and fixed up to make sure they were good for us.

The fateful day we Americans decided that

the attributes of human beings are similar

to those of a horse, was the day we forgot the importance of looking at a candidate’s character, knowledge, experience,

associations, voting record, personality, and eligibility for office - especially the fundamental birth certificate to ensure that the basic eligibility requirements listed in our Constitution were met.

We decided to vet and to bet, and now WHOM DID WE GET? WE STILL DON'T KNOW YET!

- Mary S. - Florida
 
By MARY S
12/3/2008 11:23:38 PM
Barack is being extremely secretive about his life. All his records are being sealed and yet - no MSM is questioning these actions. The COLB online may be valid - but does not prove where he was actually born, since his parent(s) could have simply registered his birth in Honolulu - without proof or witness's. The people need to contact the Secretary of State (SOS) for each state and demand that they verify BHO's natural born status by looking at all his records, such as his real - long form BC, his passport information, his parent’s passport information. The SOS is responsible for validation of BHO's eligibility. The Electoral College and SOS - could demand this proof before the votes are cast on Dec 15. IF BHO does not provide proof of eligibility he could be prevented from becoming president. At this point this has to be a grass roots effort to block Obama from becoming president.
 
12/4/2008 12:07:25 PM
** BARAK ** BARRY **BARACK **HUSSEIN ** MUHAMED ** ABDULLAH ** BIN SAETORO ** UBAMA - ILLEGAL ALIEN , kenya
 
By c1on
12/5/2008 11:49:12 PM
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